Canada finally looking at new jets to replace CF-18, not browse Craigslist for old ones

"CB" (jrcb)
07/23/2019 at 14:58 • Filed to: First person who makes a Canadian Military joke is being banned, Planelopnik

!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , Saab, Airbus, Boeing, and Lockheed are in the running for supplying new jets, as the plan to buy just as old jets from Australia has been deemed a stupid plan. Hopefully Lockheed Martin stops complaining about being “unfairly treated”.

DISCUSSION (32)

For Sweden > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:08

Not Dassau lt?

Quebec will never forgive this

CB > For Sweden
07/23/2019 at 15:09

Quebec’s too busy dealing with supreme court challenges to get mad about the jets.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:12

They should get glorious Sukhois. The best, comrade

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CB > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/23/2019 at 15:13

I’m sure flying a Russian jet would go swimmingly with our neighbours to the south.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:15

Vladdy’s stooge will be more than happy to personally assist in the deal. The Master Negotiator™

vicali > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:18

Obviously, Canadians use Kijiji;

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InFierority Complex > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:19

Just dust off the Canuck, it’ll be fine.

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I honestly love the look of the two engines.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:21

SAAB

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CB > vicali
07/23/2019 at 15:32

Well yeah, but the Aussies don’t. The government probably looked at Gumtree or whatever the Aussies use.

CB > InFierority Complex
07/23/2019 at 15:34

I always wondered, what would happen if we dusted off a biplane or something? Would modern jets even be able to fight it?

facw > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:37

I predict Saabs. Cheap, and despite single engines, well tested in the cold desolate expanses of Sw eden. Though with Turkey getting kicked out of the F-35 program, there will be pressure to take up that slack. Boeing is toast after the whole regional jet debacle. By Airbus, I assume they actually mean the Eurofighter consortium (which is 46% owned by Airbus), but I think the Eurofighter is more than Canada wants to spend for a last-gen fighter (though it is probably the most similar to the canceled Super Hornet order.)

vicali > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:37

Gumtree - where 70 series grow on trees..

lone_liberal > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:41

The Aussies knew what they had.

MrDakka > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:43

Modern heatseeking missiles would be able to pick up the heat signature of a piston driven engine, so yes.

Not sure about the bigger radar guided missiles.

CB > facw
07/23/2019 at 15:44

See, we had (have?) a mandate for dual engines, but the F-35 is single engine, so that’s no longer a valid argument if they were considering that. Eurofighter would be sweet, but probably unlikely. I’m all for Saabs and trying to push away from relying on Americans for so much.

In any case, we’ll see what happens in three years.

CB > MrDakka
07/23/2019 at 15:45

I imagine the lock window would be rather small.

MrDakka > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:46

Should’ve taken better care of your toys and toymaker s, otherwise we wouldn’t have poached all of them XD

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Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > InFierority Complex
07/23/2019 at 15:46

Just dust off the Canuck Arrow, it’ll be fine

ftfy

I honestly think with updated software/radar it would still be serviceable. Loooooong way ahead of it’s time.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > CB
07/23/2019 at 15:46

ARROW

CB > MrDakka
07/23/2019 at 15:48

Dief the Chief decided missiles were a better idea than the Arrow. The missiles we never ended up buying. He did a bunch of good things, but man, I am not a Diefenbaker fan.

At least all the Avro engineers went off to do cool other stuff.

someassemblyrequired > CB
07/23/2019 at 16:01

Gripen or Eurofighter is my bet. Boeing shot itself in the foot, and the F-35 is too expensive. F-35 is also toxic politically due to closeness of Lockheed management with Trump.

facw > CB
07/23/2019 at 16:04

I tend to think the twin engine thing was always a bit overplayed. If Sweden (Gi pens) and Norway (F-16's, F-35's) can deal with a single engine fighter, I suspect Canada can as well (especially since engines are more reliable than they’ve ever been, and having two tightly packed engines doesn’t provide full redundancy since a failure in one can easily destroy the other). We’ve had the same sort of complaining for the Navy, with people (possibly funded by Boeing) saying that Naval fighters need to be multi-engined, despite a long history of successful single- engine Naval fighters (conveniently forgotten about since aside from the Harrier, we haven’t operated a single engine naval combat aircraft since the Marines retired the A-4).

CB > facw
07/23/2019 at 16:10

Yeah, makes sense. But to be fair, Norway and Sweden are both way smaller than Canada. Saskatchewan is larger than both. The territories are huge with sparse population and loads of space between airports. I get the concern for the two engines here.